NS Cliches: Rebooted

12 March 2022

Gandoor wrote:TBH, a landlocked country having a navy doesn't seem completely crazy when you think about it. After all, rivers and lakes exist.

Landlocked country who's entire navy is just one dude in a rowboat with a pistol in a pond.

Someone please make this canon :lol2:

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:58 pm

Gandoor wrote:TBH, a landlocked country having a navy doesn't seem completely crazy when you think about it. After all, rivers and lakes exist.

Landlocked country who's entire navy is just one dude in a rowboat with a pistol in a pond.

daily reminder that the taliban has a navy
the taliban navy is a couple of rowboats

by **Valentine Z** » Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:14 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Gandoor wrote:TBH, a landlocked country having a navy doesn't seem completely crazy when you think about it. After all, rivers and lakes exist.

Landlocked country who's entire navy is just one dude in a rowboat with a pistol in a pond.

daily reminder that the taliban has a navy
the taliban navy is a couple of rowboats

Row, Row, Row your boat,
Gently down the seas.
If your rowboat got shot down,
Re-evaluate your life, hei!

by **Feyrisshire** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:03 pm

Another F7 cliche that I often find in F7 alt-hist anime nations: Germany (and also often Japan) becomes magical and develops Mages/Strike Witches/etc of its own, while America, England and the USSR does nothing and remains as normal boring people.

Bonus points when Germany and Japan are led by cute anime girls while America and USSR are led by boring normal men. (Bonus points when USSR is just led by literally Lenin and Stalin)

You'd think that America and the Soviet Union would be scrambling to turn their population into anime girl T-dolls and Shipgirls to fight Germany on an equal footing if it discovered magic. Or America and the USSR manages to make T-dolls, Mages and Shipgirls while Germany and Japan's magical program epicly fails (doesn't this sound famillar?).

I also find it hilarious that the Soviet Union is always depicted as anti-magic, considering that the Soviet Union seriously researched magic and sorcery IRL - CIA source

No offense, but its just a trend that I notice in a lot of nations

by **The Caleshan Valkyrie** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:05 pm

Feyrisshire wrote:Another F7 cliche that I often find in F7 alt-hist anime nations: Germany (and also often Japan) becomes magical and develops Mages/Strike Witches/etc of its own, while America, England and the USSR does nothing and remains as normal boring people.

Bonus points when Germany and Japan are led by cute anime girls while America and USSR are led by boring normal men. (Bonus points when USSR is just led by literally Lenin and Stalin)

You'd think that America and the Soviet Union would be scrambling to turn their population into anime girl T-dolls and Shipgirls to fight Germany on an equal footing if it discovered magic. Or America and the USSR manages to make T-dolls, Mages and Shipgirls while Germany and Japan's magical program epicly fails (doesn't this sound famillar?).

I also find it hilarious that the Soviet Union is always depicted as anti-magic, considering that the Soviet Union seriously researched magic and sorcery IRL - Link

No offense, but its just a trend that I notice in a lot of nations

Good lord yes. That annoys me to heck and gone…

by **Enzonar** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:06 pm

Feyrisshire wrote:Another F7 cliche that I often find in F7 alt-hist anime nations: Germany (and also often Japan) becomes magical and develops Mages/Strike Witches/etc of its own, while America, England and the USSR does nothing and remains as normal boring people.

Bonus points when Germany and Japan are led by cute anime girls while America and USSR are led by boring normal men. (Bonus points when USSR is just led by literally Lenin and Stalin)

You'd think that America and the Soviet Union would be scrambling to turn their population into anime girl T-dolls and Shipgirls to fight Germany on an equal footing if it discovered magic. Or America and the USSR manages to make T-dolls, Mages and Shipgirls while Germany and Japan's magical program epicly fails (doesn't this sound famillar?).

I also find it hilarious that the Soviet Union is always depicted as anti-magic, considering that the Soviet Union seriously researched magic and sorcery IRL - Link

No offense, but its just a trend that I notice in a lot of nations

Exactly. And everybody shits on me for not liking flag waifus. Look anime is overused

by **Wejas** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:15 pm

Feyrisshire wrote:Another F7 cliche that I often find in F7 alt-hist anime nations: Germany (and also often Japan) becomes magical and develops Mages/Strike Witches/etc of its own, while America, England and the USSR does nothing and remains as normal boring people.

Bonus points when Germany and Japan are led by cute anime girls while America and USSR are led by boring normal men. (Bonus points when USSR is just led by literally Lenin and Stalin)

You'd think that America and the Soviet Union would be scrambling to turn their population into anime girl T-dolls and Shipgirls to fight Germany on an equal footing if it discovered magic. Or America and the USSR manages to make T-dolls, Mages and Shipgirls while Germany and Japan's magical program epicly fails (doesn't this sound famillar?).

I also find it hilarious that the Soviet Union is always depicted as anti-magic, considering that the Soviet Union seriously researched magic and sorcery IRL - CIA source

No offense, but its just a trend that I notice in a lot of nations

Germany and Japan are just gravity wells for magic, aliens, magic aliens, etc when it comes to NS nations.

Probably because magic demi-god aliens are the only way Hitler was ever gonna win that war, haha gottem.

by **Las Palmeras** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:11 pm

Feyrisshire wrote:I also find it hilarious that the Soviet Union is always depicted as anti-magic, considering that the Soviet Union seriously researched magic and sorcery IRL - CIA source

The US didn't lag behind either.

by **Azur Deutschland** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:02 pm

Feyrisshire wrote:Another F7 cliche that I often find in F7 alt-hist anime nations: Germany (and also often Japan) becomes magical and develops Mages/Strike Witches/etc of its own, while America, England and the USSR does nothing and remains as normal boring people.

Bonus points when Germany and Japan are led by cute anime girls while America and USSR are led by boring normal men. (Bonus points when USSR is just led by literally Lenin and Stalin)

You'd think that America and the Soviet Union would be scrambling to turn their population into anime girl T-dolls and Shipgirls to fight Germany on an equal footing if it discovered magic. Or America and the USSR manages to make T-dolls, Mages and Shipgirls while Germany and Japan's magical program epicly fails (doesn't this sound famillar?).

I also find it hilarious that the Soviet Union is always depicted as anti-magic, considering that the Soviet Union seriously researched magic and sorcery IRL - CIA source

No offense, but its just a trend that I notice in a lot of nations

My main thing is that I just use the excuse that Youjo Senki does. The Soviet Union-representative nation in Youjo Senki purged mages because they were afraid of them revolting and having more power than the dude who was supposed to represent Stalin.

As for the US, well, this is based on my Flames of War stuff, so, the reason why I haven't written the US having a whole lot of magic stuff is because I've been playing Flames of War against my dad, my brother, and a bunch of other guys at the hobby store. All of which are older and have gone, quite obviously, for the more historical approach to camo and army set-ups.

by **Feyrisshire** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:06 pm

ENZONAR wrote:
Feyrisshire wrote:-snip-

Exactly. And everybody shits on me for not liking flag waifus. Look anime is overused

Did you even read anything that I said?

by **Wormfodder Delivery** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:51 pm

Feyrisshire wrote:Another F7 cliche that I often find in F7 alt-hist anime nations: Germany (and also often Japan) becomes magical and develops Mages/Strike Witches/etc of its own, while America, England and the USSR does nothing and remains as normal boring people.

Bonus points when Germany and Japan are led by cute anime girls while America and USSR are led by boring normal men. (Bonus points when USSR is just led by literally Lenin and Stalin)

You'd think that America and the Soviet Union would be scrambling to turn their population into anime girl T-dolls and Shipgirls to fight Germany on an equal footing if it discovered magic. Or America and the USSR manages to make T-dolls, Mages and Shipgirls while Germany and Japan's magical program epicly fails (doesn't this sound famillar?).

I also find it hilarious that the Soviet Union is always depicted as anti-magic, considering that the Soviet Union seriously researched magic and sorcery IRL - CIA source

No offense, but its just a trend that I notice in a lot of nations

Or, something I would consider even cooler, have the different nations focus on different anime technology and the technologiees are seen with an ideological tint each?
For example, the Leviathan Series had the Central Powers VS Entente mirrored with Clankers(Use technological war machines) VS Darwinists (Use Bio-engineered Creatures), with neutral powers using both.

As an example for this, what would it be if the allies used shipgirls, the axis warmages or witches(japan magical girls or shrine maidens) and the communist internationale mass-produced t-dolls?

by **Gonswanza** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:37 am

Wormfodder reminded me of Yojo Senki, where the war is fought by mages on all sides, jousting for positions among the trenches as technology struggles to keep up with the sharp and brisk pace of the war. First world war, but the lads fly over no-man's land while magically charged cannons threaten to blast anyone still left on the ground to dust.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:21 am

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Gandoor wrote:TBH, a landlocked country having a navy doesn't seem completely crazy when you think about it. After all, rivers and lakes exist.

Landlocked country who's entire navy is just one dude in a rowboat with a pistol in a pond.

daily reminder that the taliban has a navy
the taliban navy is a couple of rowboats

i mean as far as landlocked navies go, you have the virgin taliban navy (shitty, run by an oppressive regime) vs. chad mongolian navy (facilitates frequent exchanges with deng gang, is staffed by mongols which is just a massive plus all round)

by **Austria-Bohemia-Hungary** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:29 am

Feyrisshire wrote:Another F7 cliche that I often find in F7 alt-hist anime nations: Germany (and also often Japan) becomes magical and develops Mages/Strike Witches/etc of its own, while America, England and the USSR does nothing and remains as normal boring people.

Bonus points when Germany and Japan are led by cute anime girls while America and USSR are led by boring normal men. (Bonus points when USSR is just led by literally Lenin and Stalin)

You'd think that America and the Soviet Union would be scrambling to turn their population into anime girl T-dolls and Shipgirls to fight Germany on an equal footing if it discovered magic. Or America and the USSR manages to make T-dolls, Mages and Shipgirls while Germany and Japan's magical program epicly fails (doesn't this sound famillar?).

I also find it hilarious that the Soviet Union is always depicted as anti-magic, considering that the Soviet Union seriously researched magic and sorcery IRL - CIA source

No offense, but its just a trend that I notice in a lot of nations

i feel attacked lol

by **Enzonar** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:50 am

Feyrisshire wrote:
ENZONAR wrote:Exactly. And everybody shits on me for not liking flag waifus. Look anime is overused

Did you even read anything that I said?

Yes. Then I added on with an and with my own thing
I read things before posting things ok?
Also, I can name 10 German anime countries right off my mind.

by **Qhevak** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:00 am

Feyrisshire wrote:Another F7 cliche that I often find in F7 alt-hist anime nations: Germany (and also often Japan) becomes magical and develops Mages/Strike Witches/etc of its own, while America, England and the USSR does nothing and remains as normal boring people.

Bonus points when Germany and Japan are led by cute anime girls while America and USSR are led by boring normal men. (Bonus points when USSR is just led by literally Lenin and Stalin)

You'd think that America and the Soviet Union would be scrambling to turn their population into anime girl T-dolls and Shipgirls to fight Germany on an equal footing if it discovered magic. Or America and the USSR manages to make T-dolls, Mages and Shipgirls while Germany and Japan's magical program epicly fails (doesn't this sound famillar?).

I also find it hilarious that the Soviet Union is always depicted as anti-magic, considering that the Soviet Union seriously researched magic and sorcery IRL - CIA source

No offense, but its just a trend that I notice in a lot of nations

Kieron Gillen's Uber did this quite well. Nazi Germany develops superheroes in secret based off ancient alien tech and smashes the Red Army out of Germany just as Berlin is about to fall, but can't properly extend from there because the rest of their military infrastructure and logistics are basically nonexistent. The superhero formula gets out to Britain, America and the USSR, starting a superhero arms race as all sides try to build up their forces.

by **Soviet Progonya** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:15 am

ENZONAR wrote:Yes. Then I added on with an and with my own thing
I read things before posting things ok?
Also, I can name 10 German anime countries right off my mind.

Same. I wonder why it's Germany in particular is so common for anime girl nations.

by **Wormfodder Delivery** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:45 am

Probably because drawing germanoboo anime girls is something a lot of artists of the style do.
The aesthetic is rather popular in the lands of the rising sun from what I've heard.

by **Redeemed Britannia** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:58 am

Soviet Progonya wrote:
ENZONAR wrote:Yes. Then I added on with an and with my own thing
I read things before posting things ok?
Also, I can name 10 German anime countries right off my mind.

Same. I wonder why it's Germany in particular is so common for anime girl nations.

In part because of the relative successes of Youjo Senki and other similar anime series, also because teutonophilia (especially the type of it that inches close to simping for Nazi Germany) and weebery seem to go hand in hand.

by **Gonswanza** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:08 am

I've yet to see a country akin to TNO Omsk... Or any well written and interesting FanT nations that are also MT or PT since most take the WH40K route.

by **Neo-Western East Korea** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:20 am

OMSK is far too based to replicate. Although honestly I’ve found it weird how no one ever tried to replicate Werbell, or ran a state off mercenaries in the first place, it sort of seems like an obvious idea when you look back at how much they were used in combat.

by **Wormfodder Delivery** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:36 am

Probably also has to do with how TNO kinda fell from grace, with the unpleasant things the dev team pulled.

Personally, I like Red Flood a lot more anyhow.

by **Hatsunia** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:32 am

Soviet Progonya wrote:
ENZONAR wrote:Yes. Then I added on with an and with my own thing
I read things before posting things ok?
Also, I can name 10 German anime countries right off my mind.

Same. I wonder why it's Germany in particular is so common for anime girl nations.

Wormfodder Delivery wrote:Probably because drawing germanoboo anime girls is something a lot of artists of the style do.
The aesthetic is rather popular in the lands of the rising sun from what I've heard.

Does it have anything to do with the fact that Japan and Germany were on the same side in WWII? Or before that, the Meiji Constitution being based on the Prusso-German model?

by **Vadterland** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 4:35 am

ENZONAR wrote:Exactly. And everybody shits on me for not liking flag waifus. Look anime is overused

Ah, yes, ignore the entire point of that post and instead get pissed about the thing 85% of the forum doesn't even use.

by **The Onox Legion** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:09 am

Hatsunia wrote:
Soviet Progonya wrote:Same. I wonder why it's Germany in particular is so common for anime girl nations.

Wormfodder Delivery wrote:Probably because drawing germanoboo anime girls is something a lot of artists of the style do.
The aesthetic is rather popular in the lands of the rising sun from what I've heard.

Does it have anything to do with the fact that Japan and Germany were on the same side in WWII? Or before that, the Meiji Constitution being based on the Prusso-German model?

Well, yeah, that too.

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